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Sat, 24 Dec 2022 07:28:46 -0500
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Aral Balkan
aral@mastodon.ar.al
If you’re trying to make Mastodon into pre-Elon Twitter, you haven’t learned a single damn thing.
#mastodon
#fediverse
#twitter
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Sat, 24 Dec 2022 07:32:02 -0500
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Matt 🌻
matt@oslo.town
@aral
🤔 🤔 🤔
Maybe it wasn't Twitter that made Twitter the way it was.
Maybe it was the people on Twitter that made Twitter the way it was.
🤔 🤔 🤔
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Sat, 24 Dec 2022 07:35:05 -0500
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Just let me add this: If you're trying to make the Fediverse into Mastodon, you haven’t learned a single damn thing either.
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Sat, 24 Dec 2022 07:43:53 -0500
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Bender Wilson
lucifersmith420@arlington.social
@aral
😡 if I could only quote tweet this🤦♂️🤣
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Sat, 24 Dec 2022 07:47:05 -0500
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אייל | eyal
eyal@leftodon.social
@aral
I agree, but I still want journalist in the fediverse, even if we'll silence or defederate from them. We will never beat the corporations in the struggle for an open internet if we'll exclude mainstream voices.
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Sat, 24 Dec 2022 07:50:41 -0500
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yetzt
yetzt@vis.social
@aral
i feel it's like gentrification cycles; there is a nice thing then it becomes mainstream and commercialized and then it's shit. rinse and repeat. i believe the only way to break the cycle is to make something resistant to concentration of power, unownable and ungovernable.
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Sat, 24 Dec 2022 08:04:04 -0500
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Cyclope
Cyclope@oc.todon.fr
@eyal
@aral
there are journalists. And most of them don't seem to complain because it is not this, or it has not that.
I'm convinced that journalists there, those who complain, just didn't understand that they will have to ADAPT, and therefore CHANGE.
Mastodon was conceived to be different. If he resembles Twitter, some of us will depart. More numerous than a handful of journalists.
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Sat, 24 Dec 2022 08:12:03 -0500
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Andreas F.
af@cas.social
@aral
As long as some advertise (among Twitter users) that
#Mastodon
is kind of a decentralized
#Twitter
, and without
#Elon
, people will expect similar features and usability.
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Sat, 24 Dec 2022 08:18:52 -0500
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אייל | eyal
eyal@leftodon.social
@Cyclope
@aral
I agree, I just don't like the subtext of "journalists aren't welcome here". I totally support pushing back against changes they demand like QTs.
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Sat, 24 Dec 2022 08:44:23 -0500
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Scott M. Stolz
scott@authorship.studio
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אייל | eyal
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Aral Balkan
What it comes down to is the open internet is not open if it is exclusionary. What's important is that individuals get to choose who they listen to.
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Sat, 24 Dec 2022 08:48:39 -0500
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Scott M. Stolz
scott@authorship.studio
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yetzt
One thing that possibly makes this different than the "gentrification cycle" you mentioned is that it costs very little money to host your own instance, and is even free if you find a public instance with open registration. This gives access to everyone with an internet connection, not just the people who have money. If enough people have their own federated account on the small web, that would shift power towards the individual, not mega-corporations, because the individual is not dependent on them anymore.
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Sat, 24 Dec 2022 08:49:46 -0500
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Ercan Erdem Ardal
ErcanErdemArdal@masto.ai
@aral
Aslında
#Mastodon
un şu anki özellikleri bile Türiye'deki kullanıcıların gereklerinin %80 ini karşılıyor.
Çoğu gelişkin
#Twitter
özelliğini kullananlar çok az.
#Gazeteciler
açısından sorun Özellikleri değil. Öbür tarafta yıllarca belki dünya kadar reklam harcaması yaparak kazandıkları bir. Takipçi kitlesi (
#sermayesi
) var.
Bu sermaye de ayaklarını bağlıyor tabi ki.
#SosyalMedya
#MerhabaMastodon
#Türkçe
turkce
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Sat, 24 Dec 2022 08:51:13 -0500
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Aral Balkan
aral@mastodon.ar.al
@rhrwllnrtr
Indeed but one battle at a time (in a toot?), my friend :)
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Sat, 24 Dec 2022 08:52:32 -0500
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Aral Balkan
aral@mastodon.ar.al
@eyal
That wasn’t the subtext at all and it wasn’t aimed just at journalists either.
@Cyclope
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Sat, 24 Dec 2022 08:56:01 -0500
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Aral Balkan
aral@mastodon.ar.al
@scott
Indeed and yet also important to keep in mind that the fediverse/ActivityPub isn’t small web in the sense that the servers can and do scale. So it’s not one server = one person. So when/if Tumblr sets up their server, they will be an instance of several hundred million and you will be an instance of one. The power differential there is immense.
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Sat, 24 Dec 2022 09:06:48 -0500
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אייל | eyal
eyal@leftodon.social
@aral
@Cyclope
I replied in the context of your previous boosts.
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Sat, 24 Dec 2022 09:15:03 -0500
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Scott M. Stolz
scott@authorship.studio
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Aral Balkan
Yes and no. We can't stop people with money from spending money. What we can do instead is make it easy for people to install their own ActivityPub-enabled instances, and make it easier for people to support themselves without being dependent on a job. We have to use the network effect to our advantage, where ActivityPub-enabled platforms are the norm, and corporations have to federate just to reach the masses. We also have the break the dependency on corporations in other areas, not just communications and income. It has to be a multi-tiered approach.
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Sat, 24 Dec 2022 10:13:29 -0500
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John Samuel
jsamwrites@mastodon.social
@aral
Turning Mastodon like the bird site will be a big tragedy. I particularly like Fediverse/Mastodon features (or non-features as some may call it): no boost/favorite count on the timeline, no default algorithm for home timeline, no reply count, no quote posts (tweet), the list goes on...
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